Need to buy a new car for my wife...

sunni · Dec 19, 2019

I like our Nissan personally the rogue

lokie · Dec 19, 2019

Sunroofs can be fun.

One thing to be aware of is that someone always leaves the damn thing open and anything can get in then. :cuss:

too larry · Dec 19, 2019

DaFreak said:
I think you can't go wrong with a Subaru and the Imprezas are nice cars. If you were looking for something other than a station wagon I would say get a Toyota, they are the best cars on Earth.

I second this. We have all Toyota's and have had no regrets. Maybe something like the Rav4 in AWD.

too larry · Dec 19, 2019

MrToad69 said:
I had a 1998 Toyota 4Runner that I had for 10 years and the only thing outside reg maintenance was a battery clamp change...I'm driving a 2010 Tacoma now and havent had an issue in the 8 years Ive had it...Rock solid!
I think the Tundra was a but of an anomaly for Toyota as they
Plunged into the large Truck market..I looked at one when I was looking at the Tacoma..what an absolute pig on gas!
My family hasnt had one problem with the 4 toyotas and 2 hondas weve owned...Im a huge fan!

My truck is a 98 Tacoma. 130K range and no problems yet. No plans to replace it anytime soon.

Boatguy · Dec 19, 2019

curious2garden said:
You obviously do not work on them or regulate automotive repair dealers. That is true for the Golf and the VW's from the earlier years. Recent VW is scheisse as @rkymtnman stated. Not to mention the cheating on the emissions sytems that VW and Audi were guilty of.

Love my MK6 golf tdi. First time i ever got paid back by a dealer. Somewhere around 8k after getting the "fix".

too larry · Dec 19, 2019

neosapien said:
The only ever big thing to piss me off with the Subaru or more so the dealer was this… when we bought it we opted for the upgraded integrated audio/video Nav. This was like 9 years ago right when LCD were first getting big. But before backup cameras were standard. It didn't come with a backup camera but had a port on the back of the HU for input. The AV/Nav didn't work right from day one. The Nav never showed up when you pushed the button. So I took it back 2 times, the first time they ordered the wrong HU and on the last time I said about installing the camera and they said no problem. Then they come back after me waiting 2 hrs and say that that model impreza doesn't have the knockout for the camera in the back so they can't do it. I was pretty upset upon hearing that the A/V I paid an extra grand for couldn't do what they told me it could do. I think they gave me 25% off rubber floor mats. Fuckers.

We had problems with the sound system on the wife's little Prius C. The touch screen was off, so you couldn't touch the ones close to the bottom. We realized it before the time ran out, but they never did fix it. So when you try to listen to music with a USB it only plays one album on there over and over. The CD, radio and everything else works with it, but the wife has had the same CD in the player for the last 3 years, so I don;t guess it makes that much difference.

neosapien · Dec 19, 2019

Well just heard back from the guy I went to high school with. Gonna meet him at the dealership tomorrow at 930.

too larry · Dec 19, 2019

DonnyTinyHands said:
I heard it translated to people's car...

Isn't a single bad car in the whole VW group family. Vw, Audi, Porsche, can't go wrong. Built like little tanks, never breaks, ez to work on, cheap like borsh, drive very gud.

/Thread

High marks to who ever came up with the software to make the VW Diesels pass the emission tests. That was thinking outside the box.

too larry · Dec 19, 2019

tangerinegreen555 said:
And when the sunroof actuator part breaks, it's a $1200 gig. Or just $200 to make it flip up an inch for ventilation.

Just remember this, no matter what you buy, Murphy's law always applies.

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As I sit here trying to warm up my frozen door handle so the door will close.

Recalled twice already, has to go in for a third time for 5 to 6 hours again. Door will open but won't close until it's fucking thawed. Takes 15 minutes to thaw, have to run engine, direct the hot air vent towards door.

My old F-150 which I had for over 10 years never froze one time. This one freezes every time it gets into the lower 20's. I've already lost 14 hours of my life waiting on it at the dealer. That includes 2 hours to fix the paint chip and scratches they put on the door the first time they took it apart.

PS, I bought it off an old school buddy who is a salesman there, asked for him specifically. So that's not an asset except for shooting the breeze about the old days while you're signing papers.

Hopefully the third time is a charm and the meathead who works on it doesn't scratch it up this time. I'm tempted to surround the door handles with blue painter's tape.

Always something, count on it.

My old Tacoma has plastic door handles. It was 29F this morning down at the river house. I had to pour water on the door to get it open.

Boatguy · Dec 19, 2019

too larry said:
High marks to who ever came up with the software to make the VW Diesels pass the emission tests. That was thinking outside the box.

Originally it was to written to make the audi's quieter when they were warming up so they sounded less diesel like. Someone else later on decided on doing a full on driving cheat using the same program.
I really miss the extra 8 mpg i was getting on the highway before the fix.

rkymtnman · Dec 19, 2019

too larry said:
High marks to who ever came up with the software to make the VW Diesels pass the emission tests. That was thinking outside the box.

i thought i read that it basically just uses more DEF. so you lose MPG and gain added DEF costs. still 40 plus MPG probably makes up for it in the long run

cannabineer · Dec 19, 2019

neosapien said:
Any advantage of leasing over financing? To me it just appears another fine example of the throw away culture to get a new car every 3 years.

Every time I looked into leasing, it was more expensive than buying new at full retail, then trading in at a lowball return. Add the often draconian mileage/condition uhm conditions in the contract and I conclude it was a bad deal.

Boatguy · Dec 19, 2019

rkymtnman said:
i thought i read that it basically just uses more DEF. so you lose MPG and gain added DEF costs. still 40 plus MPG probably makes up for it in the long run

No DEF in the cheating cars.. That is why they needed to cheat

too larry · Dec 19, 2019

Boatguy said:
Originally it was to written to make the audi's quieter when they were warming up so they sounded less diesel like. Someone else later on decided on doing a full on driving cheat using the same program.
I really miss the extra 8 mpg i was getting on the highway before the fix.

The software noticed when the engine ran at one steady speed for a long time, and adjusted the amount of Ammonia{my memory could be playing tricks on me here} sprayed into the mix so the emissions were lower while it was being tested. The mpg went down, but only while it was being tested. Some smart kids at a school out west caught them.

rkymtnman · Dec 19, 2019

Boatguy said:
No DEF in the cheating cars.. That is why they needed to cheat

i thought the DEF cars were involved in the recall too? you sure about that?

too larry · Dec 19, 2019

rkymtnman said:
i thought i read that it basically just uses more DEF. so you lose MPG and gain added DEF costs. still 40 plus MPG probably makes up for it in the long run

Yes. The software was there to notice when it was being tested and make the changes.

rkymtnman · Dec 19, 2019

too larry said:
Yes. The software was there to notice when it was being tested and make the changes.

yep, during the dyno testing part of the emissions test. pretty sneaky bastards that designed it and those that figured it out too!

cannabineer · Dec 19, 2019

too larry said:
The software noticed when the engine ran at one steady speed for a long time, and adjusted the amount of Ammonia{my memory could be playing tricks on me here} sprayed into the mix so the emissions were lower while it was being tested. The mpg went down, but only while it was being tested. Some smart kids at a school out west caught them.

DEF is urea (an ammonia derivative) in water. Since it is injected into the exhaust system, I’m surprised it affects mpg at all.

Boatguy · Dec 19, 2019

rkymtnman said:
i thought the DEF cars were involved in the recall too? you sure about that?

I dont think so. Pretty positive only the passat was offered with def. It was fully compliant.
I may be wrong though.
Looks like i am wrong. The def vehicles were modified to not use as much as they should, to save space and refills

too larry · Dec 19, 2019

cannabineer said:
DEF is urea (an ammonia derivative) in water. Since it is injected into the exhaust system, I’m surprised it affects mpg at all.

The whole thing might have been over the size of the container. Our rules state it had to be good for so many miles before any is added to it.

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