Leaves turning black outdoors

RIPE

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I have what I think are three strains growing, five females and two males. They have been in 12/12 in very sunny and hot conditions so they are stunted in height (blue card state). They never really had a proper veg period. All plants have the same condition with some black starting on the edges and tip. The top leaves are green except one female and something has turned part of the top bud black. There is a cat that does its number in the pots but I really can't control that. I am using five gallon pots and I think three of the plants are pure sativa. I started them in ProGrow (peatmoss) and then added some Foxfarm soil when I did the transplant. I feed them Dyna-Gro liquid 7-9-5 and have been adding a little Beasty Bloomz 0-50-30 in RO water. I ph the water before I add it. How am I going to win the blue ribbon at the State Fair (If I don't end up in the State Pen first!). I'll post pictures if you want. Its too late to spray with poison. Thanks in advance for any ideas.
 
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RIPE

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I'll have to go out and take some pics of the plants. I rent here and have a roomate so I can't give these plants the care I gave my indoor soil plants. Maybe tomorrow.
 

Dr. Who

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And your going to get P problems soon too. Beasty is WAY to high in P!

Does the "black" wipe off? Mold problem.
Not wipe off? High K along with N tox. High K values promote coloring from purples to reds and oranges. Depending on the strain traits.

The Dyna has everything you need for feeding nutrition. Stop the Beasty Blooms!
 

sidewing

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more doesnt necessarily mean better. i havent used a bloom booster in a few years (last one i used was pk 13/14). it seemed to stress the plant, sure maybe it bulked up, but i think the stress stunts growth where if you just have everything dialed perfectly with a nice base nutrient the plant will do just as good. best thing to do outside if you want a p boost is just add a tablespoon or so at the base of the plant of some indonesian guano. but in my experience outdoor plants do great with just hose water. you dont need crazy levels of nutrients to achieve success. all thats going to do is degrade the quality of your final product and waste more money out of your pocket. just my opinion.

example; ive been soil growing for years and had it so dialed in that i could run a whole cycle of veg and flower for under $40 dollars. water only, no bottled anything, just tap water and some soil amendments mixed in beforehand. (i did use liquid karma because i got a huge bottle for basically free and it is good stuff, nothing wrong with a litlte molasses or sucanat to feed the microbes either every once in a while).
now i'm experimenting with deep water culture. i decided to run dutch master nutrients. going against what i read online from people using it (which was just use A+B and some calmag maybe w/ RO water) i decided to use the whole line (silica, add.27, liquid light and saturator). granted i got a nice 50% off discount, it still cost me a lot more money that it should because now that im on my second round and ive worked out a lot of the initial problems, I'm only using A+B and calmag. and things are growing much much better. i did not see any added benefit to using the expensive add 27 (in fact im just going to use liquid karma since i have the big bottle, basically the same thing, probably better). i spent money on zone and uc roots (expensive) trying to keep a sterile root enviroment when what i read said to use a cheap beneficial compost tea consisting of simply alaska humus brewed for 48 hours. i ended up dropping the zone and UC roots because i got slimed and fell back to the basics (tea), which roots grow so much better now.

point being is keep things simple. bottled nutrient companies want to sell you stuff you dont need, whether it be an additive that is the 'missing link' or the 'next best thing' 'guaranteed to increase uptake and improve yields' or concentrated crap because everyone in cannabis growing thinks more is better as far as what you are giving the plant. when in reality the exact opposite is true. as long as you have your fundamental bases covered (macro nutrients in a regular dose, using a simple jamacian/indonesian guano in flower is perfect, mexican guano in veg if you wanted, but usually the base soil has enough to carry through veg just fine.) and micro nutrients (azomite powder is super cheap and is the best additive you can give to add ALL micronutrients), just let the plant do what it wants to do. it'll thank you by rewarding you. so will your pockets. just my opinion.
 

greasemonkeymann

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And your going to get P problems soon too. Beasty is WAY to high in P!

Does the "black" wipe off? Mold problem.
Not wipe off? High K along with N tox. High K values promote coloring from purples to reds and oranges. Depending on the strain traits.

The Dyna has everything you need for feeding nutrition. Stop the Beasty Blooms!
was gonna say the same thing, a 7-9-5 is plenty to grow a plant from start to finish.
oh and I had a feral cat that ALWAYS crapped in my half wine-barre (I had a big ole blue dream in it at the time), and it never hurt anything, really.
Just scoop the turd out, and my theory is maybe the cat-urine helped keep any nitrogen issues at bay.... heh
 

RIPE

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Thank you for your replies. It is very windy, high about 90, humidity about 60-70 pecent. I will chill out on using the RO water. They take a lot of water. I attached pictures but the wind was strong and the pictures are blurry. Not sure how to veg an outdoor grow. I tried for the first month to keep light on them for 16 or more hours but I had to move twice. The plants got burned from too much sun in one place (careless). I moved here and sure enough the plants stayed small. I would appreciate any opinions on what you see in the pictures and if there is any potential. I was thinking about letting them go to seed. I have enough bud stored up and don't use that much anyway. Not sure if there is mold or not. They got one dose of AzaMax and floramite from a spray bottle about three weeks ago but that was my indoor experience telling me to kill whatever might be on the plants or in the soil. I will check out the azomite and lay off the nitrogen. I think a couple are Neville's Haze Fem and maybe one Red Purp. Take a look and tell me what you see.
 

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Uncle Ben

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Don't mean to be rude, but do you have ANY gardening experience? It's like "where do I start?"

Also, you can't expect much helpful advice unless I know EXACTLY your day to day activities. How much food, how often, what's up with the bloom foods? Why are you adjusting the water's pH and using RO water? Cause some dork recommended it at RIU? Pot size is too big. See my Plant Moisture Stress ditty in the Plant Problems forum and buy Mel Frank's Guide.

Poisons? So what insect pests have you identified? Or you just throwing stuff at them hoping something sticks?

argggggggghhhhhhhh........
 

sidewing

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if it were me i'd just dig a small little hole, (like a foot across and a foot deep. fill it with roots natural/organic soil, throw the plant in the ground and water it with a garden hose. it'll do just fine.
outdoor you will always have some sort of pest problem, usually its nothing serious enough to kill a plant. just throw it in the ground and water it everyday. it'll be just fine. the burn look could also be caused from the azamax if you are mixing it too concentrated. i'd lay off it. outside is not like inside where you want to neturalize every little pest in my opinion. sure if you have spider mites or something that will overtake and ruin a crop then you need to control it. other than that, nature will take care of itself. my outdoor plants have little buggers on them every now and then i dont even give them a second look unless its mites, becuase in my experience anything else is not going to destroy my crop, the plant will grow at a faster rate than any regular bug can do any damage. the plant will get used to the sun, it'll get used to the wind. windy conditions will just make your stems super strong. any initial stress from either will be overcome naturally. just dont baby it. ive had a huge near 100 pound stepping stone thrown on top of a plant outdoors and the plant survived and grew around it. don't baby it. it will survive.
 

RIPE

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Don't mean to be rude, but do you have ANY gardening experience? It's like "where do I start?"

Also, you can't expect much helpful advice unless I know EXACTLY your day to day activities. How much food, how often, what's up with the bloom foods? Why are you adjusting the water's pH and using RO water? Cause some dork recommended it at RIU? Pot size is too big. See my Plant Moisture Stress ditty in the Plant Problems forum and buy Mel Frank's Guide.

Poisons? So what insect pests have you identified? Or you just throwing stuff at them hoping something sticks?

argggggggghhhhhhhh........

You and sidewing were right. I babied them and sprayed them hoping something would stick. It worked better indoors but outdoors.... I was a little suspicious of the ProGrow when I planted them cause its got nothing in it but they (the plants) were little and didn't need many nutes. I started them in one gallon and moved up to five gallon thinking they would take off. I think there are a couple of months left but I don't keep good records. I water every two to three days or when the pot gets light but I've over-watered I think. They don't seem to get big but maybe they will take off soon. If I have to move again at least they will fit in my pickup inside the cap LOL. Nobody stealing them yet so that is a plus. And the moving from rental to rental didn't help. And not having any decent soil available when the plants needed it didn't help. There is more to it than you know. I just want to know what is wrong with the plants. Leaf Miners were eating them up on the pest question. Thanks for the comments.
 
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sidewing

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next time just simply put a tablespoon or 2 of guano at the base. mexican guano when u start veg, jamacian when you start flower, and indonesian when you are about a month into flower. itll carry you through flower and you shouldnt have any issues. you can add a handful (doesnt need to be an exact amount its forgiving) of azomite to give all the trace minerals at the same time.
 

RIPE

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next time just simply put a tablespoon or 2 of guano at the base. mexican guano when u start veg, jamacian when you start flower, and indonesian when you are about a month into flower. itll carry you through flower and you shouldnt have any issues. you can add a handful (doesnt need to be an exact amount its forgiving) of azomite to give all the trace minerals at the same time.
Dumb question but where do you buy the three guano nutes? Online or local? With all that peat moss could my plants be overwatered? It ididn't rain for a month and the wind blows here under intense sun constantly. My roomate and landlord tolerate the plants (but I'm sure don't care for them). I've seen puny plants get big before with enough TLC and the Neville's Haze is a four month plant. Gypsies make bad gardeners.
 

RIPE

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Pots look dry to me. I think you've underwatered them.

When you water, how much does each pot get?
Uncle Ben, I take out a gallon or two. They are dry now but the humidity here is high and the soil always seems damp. These are tall pots and maybe the bottom is dry. I NEVER see water run out the bottom. I hand carry the water out in one gallon jugs. Its pretty lame but its kind of a under-the-radar grow - its touch and go with the landlord and roomate. They are very dry today. Would this be a good day to soak them in plain water?
 

RIPE

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Uncle Ben, I take out a gallon or two. They are dry now but the humidity here is high and the soil always seems damp. These are tall pots and maybe the bottom is dry. I NEVER see water run out the bottom. I hand carry the water out in one gallon jugs. Its pretty lame but its kind of a under-the-radar grow - its touch and go with the landlord and roomate. They are very dry today. Would this be a good day to soak them in plain water?
I was giving them about a quarter of a gallon of water with nutes. Today I took out four gallons of plain and RO water w/o nutes and soaked them until the water ran out the bottom. I think that Pro-Grow peat moss holds water - don't know if that is good or not. Everything in the yard with a few exceptions is dead (water prices are too high to have a lawn). My theory on black pots and sun is that the roots get too hot.
 
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RIPE

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was gonna say the same thing, a 7-9-5 is plenty to grow a plant from start to finish.
oh and I had a feral cat that ALWAYS crapped in my half wine-barre (I had a big ole blue dream in it at the time), and it never hurt anything, really.
Just scoop the turd out, and my theory is maybe the cat-urine helped keep any nitrogen issues at bay.... heh
I think the cat is doing that to my plants because the ground around it is dead, dry, and wind blown. Maybe the cat is telling me to give it some milk (calcium). Cat-Mag??
 
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