Ken's GDP! You have to be joking!

racerboy71 said:

but anyone who is looking for a bomb version of gdp's, look no further then CONNOISSEUR genetics.. their version blew me away.. i didn't get any coloring from it, but being color blind i couldn't really gaf honestly about colors, but the high from it was way bomb diggity.. will be growing it again for sure..

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whats the point of that if I'm growing grand daddy purple I better be getting a purple plant. so it sounds to me kens gdp is better cause it actually has purple pheno's. CG's gdp sounds like its just another knock off if it don't go purple you can't call it gdp people will laugh at you.lol, plus the only reason I would buy a purple strain is to have purple bud especially them deep purple buds you see around.

Nightmarecreature said:

E32 Arcata Trainwreck is clone only. Even if you S1 it or grow it from seeds, it's not the original E32 Arcata Trainwreck clone. Clone only means from the original clone mother. The only way to get it IS from a clone. Clone only is NOT from any seed. Take a Blue Dream clone and make S1's of it. The Seeds are Not Blue Dream, it's anything else. Even if you call it Blue Dream, it's not.

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for real even if you took the clone only strain crossed it to a male and then back crossed it for several generations it won't be the same as the original cut. but you know them seed companies are making some serious cash like calli connection swerve claims his tahoe og is the real deal but you'll never get the same clone only tagoe og from it and hes probally sold millions of seeds probally even used the original clone only for the cup too.
but almost all the new breeders are doing it even greenhouse most of the people in the world can't get a cut of trainwreck or chemdog so they buy greenhouse's virson and you know they've sold millions too. growers from all over the world even some poor countries buy them knock offs and a lot of them don't know any better they just know it won awards or its popular in calli or U.K (cheese) you can find a ton of cheese knock offs and crosses.

I have the original cut and it doesn't go purple until cold temps arrive in my experience. Indoor growing in hot temps it don't go purple much if at all...

I noticed others mention the same thing with GDP reps seed.

bluntmassa1 said:

whats the point of that if I'm growing grand daddy purple I better be getting a purple plant. so it sounds to me kens gdp is better cause it actually has purple pheno's. CG's gdp sounds like its just another knock off if it don't go purple you can't call it gdp people will laugh at you.lol, plus the only reason I would buy a purple strain is to have purple bud especially them deep purple buds you see around.

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i only grew one seed, so it's far from a judgement for the entire line imo.. and lots and lots of so called purple strains never go purple, i could really care less about color.. if the bud smokes killer and tastes bomb, i could care less if it's pink purple or green, which is why i'm not a big fan of subcools gear, beside it being hermie prone and not all that potent, all his gear is about the looks imo..

That last post was wordy, let me make it shorter:

If you're looking for a perfect version of a "clone only" strain in ceed form, you're probably not going to find it.

Anyone who claims different is probably trying to sell you something. . .

Its not a question of lazy breeding, its just that most "clone only" strains represent rare chance phenos of hybridized plants. Since every cross literally represents a throw of the dice, its impossible to stabilize them exactly into ceed form.

If it were possible to reproduce elite "clone only" strains by self-pollenizing them, or by crossing them and doing a few straightforward backcrosses, then there would simply be no such thing as "clone only" strains. Contrary to what some believe, if you cross a hybrid (ie non-true breeding) mother plant with itself, the offspring will NOT be the same as the parent, and will be expected to put off a potentially wide variety of phenos. The only way this is true is if the clone is itself an inbred line.

In practice the best any breeder can do is to create ceeds where *some* of the offspring phenos are similar (but not identical) to the "clone only" line.

Meanwhile, for obvious reasons its not in the ceed seller's interest to publicize the above, and there is just a conflict of interest there.

In short, if you MUST have "clone only" you need to get a cut of the clone.

I popped 5 of 10 Ken's GDP seeds, got one female. It purpled at the end and had solid nugs, medium yield, decent bag appeal.. Not much bang or flavor, though, and I had some budrot.

I think the Arcata cut is obviously clone only, but didn't Woodhorse do the original Trainwreck seeds that it came from? I think you can still buy those. I may be incorrect, the history of this one is cloudy for me.

clones have to come from somewhere...seed at some point

rleezx said:

clones have to come from somewhere...seed at some point

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Genius....

rleezx said:

clones have to come from somewhere...seed at some point

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Of course every plant eventually can be traced back to a seed, just as every human being can be traced back to two parents.

But just as every person (except for twins) is genetically unique, the same is true to some extent with unstabilized hybrid plants. All the offspring from two hybrid parents may be genetically different.

The "clone only" strain usually represents a rare select pheno from a variety of genetically different hybrid offspring.

In other words, you grow out 1000 Jack Herer plants, find one super-awesome pheno that distinguishes itself from most of the others by potency, scent, yield or some combination of the above, rename it "JoGro Gold" (or something else) and now you've got your "clone only line".

Most clone only lines are like this.

The problem now, is that crossing this plant to itself or any other hybrid plant creates another genetic roll of the dice. Whatever genetic traits made this plant special will get reshuffled randomly in the offspring, and the overwhelming majority of the offspring won't exhibit the exact combination that made the parent excel.

If you're damn lucky, you *MIGHT* find a ceed in there that is highly similar to the clone only parent. But such a pheno would still be rare, and not only is it impossible to identify this great ceed without growing it, you're probably going to have to grow dozens (or more) plants before you find it, and you may never find it.

Bottom line: With the specific exception of a few truebreeding lines that are called "clone only" (but probably aren't) despite what the ceed sellers would have you believe, in the vast majority of cases, it is not possible or practical to stabilize clone-only lines into ceed form.

Assuming you know the difference, buying commercial ceeds that are supposedly copies of "clone only" strains is likely to result in disappointment. The ceed sellers get away with this, because most buyers, bluntly, don't know the difference.

Again, if you "must" have a clone-only strain, you have to get a cut of the clone.

Jogro, I totally agree with what you are saying. Seems like we could have some intense conversations bro.

I would rather grow out my friends backyard pollen chucks any day, over some seed companies gear that is a total misrepresentation of what it really is, or isnt.

The whole chemdog thing has really got me going. And swerves latest comments about him being the only big seed company with real chem91, and basically calling the skunk mag article about Dinachem bullshit. It's possible, but I'll email skunk about it to inquire further...More on that in a whole new post. I'm going investigative on this shit. And will be growing Cc's chem91 vs dinafems Dinachem.

Where can i find a list of the original genetics for the more popular strains?

BBbubblegum said:

Where can i find a list of the original genetics for the more popular strains?

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SeedFinder.eu is decent IMO.

heres kens gdp.make yure own decision.bot 2 more pacs .killer weed and 2.55 oz.

^^ nice pics

but the sad point here is that a name is just a name now
i remember over ten of each of these sum similer sum not
white widow
diesel
headband
kush
an prolly many more i cant think on at the moment

names used to point in same direction not always true these days

even name convention started with femal before male in cross name
now whutever sounds good

sum strange shit if sumtin is got a big name you cross and pick the hot name not even same ingrediants

seed game is pretty fucked up right now
femed seeds wit males
twins
leafs wit buds
albinos
seeeds dont germ
autos dont auto
an aall top dollar
when i started smokin seeds came in bags
sumtimes more seeds then weed
had to clean to smoke
ruined clothes
blow up in yo face like a load

then hay we can get rich off these
if we hold mary hostage

so game is fuckery to the max


I an I
Rastafari

yea theres alot of breeders using same name different ingredients.i saw the gdp clone is more purple.kens crossed with urkle male i believe.

There's nothing wrong with their GDP. I only used it in my title because most people refer to them as Ken's GDP as a company name. Renaming Girl Scout Cookies and Cherry Pie is straight bogus. After talking to several growers and tokers, compared to the real GSC and Cherry Pie their stuff is straight garbage. Again I'm not talking on their Grand Daddy Purple strain. They really need to change the name on those crosses. Calling them something they are not is just gay marketing.

Nightmarecreature said:

There's nothing wrong with their GDP. I only used it in my title because most people refer to them as Ken's GDP as a company name. Renaming Girl Scout Cookies and Cherry Pie is straight bogus. After talking to several growers and tokers, compared to the real GSC and Cherry Pie their stuff is straight garbage. Again I'm not talking on their Grand Daddy Purple strain. They really need to change the name on those crosses. Calling them something they are not is just gay marketing.

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lol, thats wat i told the rep about the name and got pissed i think.

Nightmarecreature said:

There's nothing wrong with their GDP. I only used it in my title because most people refer to them as Ken's GDP as a company name. Renaming Girl Scout Cookies and Cherry Pie is straight bogus. After talking to several growers and tokers, compared to the real GSC and Cherry Pie their stuff is straight garbage. Again I'm not talking on their Grand Daddy Purple strain. They really need to change the name on those crosses. Calling them something they are not is just gay marketing.

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I've obtained cuts of Ken's GDP, OG, and GSC from local dispensaries, still waiting on his cherry pie. The GDP and OG are both very solid strains, enough so that I've held on to mothers. His GSC was average. Dense nugs, average every other way and stretchy as hell. Kept it for a few runs to see if I could improve it, and never really did so I dumped it. Didn't live up to what I'd read about the strain, thats for sure.

i know the weed off that gdp was a brain fryer even above my ogs.