Am I just over watering?

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rkmcdon

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Hello all. I had a plant In veg start drooping Tuesday and then yesterday afternoon, as I was leaving noticed two more. My first thought was they had been over watered, but am worried something else might be going on so was hoping to get some advise. They are on three separate tables and the other 40 or so plants in the room seem to be doing fine.
they are undera combo of MH and CMH lights, temps stay in the upper 70’s, rh stays upper 50’s. They are in 5 gallon pots and my soil mix is anewly mixed organic living soil. We water daily based on subjective weight but have had a tendency to over water (we are working on improving) though I’ve never had plants look like this.

any thoughts on what I need to do would be greatly appreciated

First plant to show signs
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next two pics are of the second plant
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manfredo

manfredo

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It's possibly got root rot or some other disease. Daily watering is definitely wayyyy too much in 70 degree temps. Should be more like every 3rd day.

I'd say this one is a goner,
 
Zephyrs

Zephyrs

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That doesn't look like just an over water problem. Being your soil looks to be a decent draining soil. That plant looks dead, like I don't think ya can pull her back. How fast did that happen?? Seems to be a more sinister player in the batch.
 
TreeFarmerCharlie

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manfredo said:
Daily watering is definitely wayyyy too much in 70 degree temps. Should be more like every 3rd day.
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I would agree with this if it were a non-organic grow, but an organic grow can get daily watering, as long as it isn't too much. My 4 plants are each currently drinking 1.25L to 2L from my Blumat reservoir every day and my plants are as happy as pigs in shit.
 
doug mirabelli

doug mirabelli

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Damn that is a sad plant. Did you transplant recently? You make have damaged the root ball. I agree with previous that this could be a goner. If it were me, I think I would take cuttings of the lower branches there. The others seem like they' re shriveling. I'd apply root solution and plug them into some root riot plugs, grow the roots out for a couple weeks under 24 hour light, spraying frequently, they may survive if you act quickly. We've all had failures, that's how we get better. Good luck guys
 
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rkmcdon

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Thanks for the input guys. These plants were transplanted to 5/22. We had recently determined we were watering too much and started backing off but will back off more. I’ll try to find some hydro guard today and try that.
my concern is that we’ve never had this before and this occurred after we started backing off how much we water. I don’t think the backing off caused it, it just makes me worried that this is something other than overwatering and root rot

This happened quickly. First signs to the pics above was about 48 hours.

I’ll proceed as if it is a watering/root problem but if anyone has other things I should look at, I’m up for suggestions
 
manfredo

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
I would agree with this if it were a non-organic grow, but an organic grow can get daily watering, as long as it isn't too much. My 4 plants are each currently drinking 1.25L to 2L from my Blumat reservoir every day and my plants are as happy as pigs in shit.
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I didn't know that, or never heard that...I grow in organic soil too, in 10 g bags, and feed about 2 liters every 2-3 days per plant, but I know conditions make a big difference.

I had one do the same thing my last batch....it was looking super healthy, and at around the 3rd week did the same thing...wilted like it hadn't been watered in days...Never did learn why....
 
TreeFarmerCharlie

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manfredo said:
I didn't know that, or never heard that...I grow in organic soil too, in 10 g bags, and feed about 2 liters every 2-3 days per plant, but I know conditions make a big difference.

I had one do the same thing my last batch....it was looking super healthy, and at around the 3rd week did the same thing...wilted like it hadn't been watered in days...Never did learn why....
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You can still over water but you aren’t supposed to let it dry out like you would with a grow you are feeding with salt based nutrients.
 
manfredo

manfredo

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
You can still over water but you aren’t supposed to let it dry out like you would with a grow you are feeding with salt based nutrients.
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My problem (one of, lol ) is, I haven't figured out how to make an organic soil that can make it all the way through flower yet, so I wind up feeding salt based nutes after about week 4 of flower. Sorry to get off topic OP. I need to dial in my soil....I've been using Subcools recipe (RIP).

I'm also in a very humid location, so that makes a difference I imagine.
 
PadawanWarrior

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rkmcdon said:
Hello all. I had a plant In veg start drooping Tuesday and then yesterday afternoon, as I was leaving noticed two more. My first thought was they had been over watered, but am worried something else might be going on so was hoping to get some advise. They are on three separate tables and the other 40 or so plants in the room seem to be doing fine.
they are undera combo of MH and CMH lights, temps stay in the upper 70’s, rh stays upper 50’s. They are in 5 gallon pots and my soil mix is anewly mixed organic living soil. We water daily based on subjective weight but have had a tendency to over water (we are working on improving) though I’ve never had plants look like this.

any thoughts on what I need to do would be greatly appreciated

First plant to show signs
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next two pics are of the second plant
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You say it's in a newly mixed organic soil. That would be my guess right there. What all did you add, and did you let it cook first?
 
BluntMoniker

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manfredo said:
My problem (one of, lol ) is, I haven't figured out how to make an organic soil that can make it all the way through flower yet, so I wind up feeding salt based nutes after about week 4 of flower. Sorry to get off topic OP. I need to dial in my soil....I've been using Subcools recipe (RIP).

I'm also in a very humid location, so that makes a difference I imagine.
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Grab a bottle of bio-bizz grow and bloom. They're needed together for flower (NEEDED.. tried without the grow, plant turned yellow week 4 of flower).

They're salt free so your not fucking up soil organisms, and immediately available to the plant, to help you make up where your lacking in late flower.
 
TreeFarmerCharlie

TreeFarmerCharlie

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manfredo said:
My problem (one of, lol ) is, I haven't figured out how to make an organic soil that can make it all the way through flower yet, so I wind up feeding salt based nutes after about week 4 of flower. Sorry to get off topic OP. I need to dial in my soil....I've been using Subcools recipe (RIP).

I'm also in a very humid location, so that makes a difference I imagine.
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Are you top dressing or feeding teas? I’m still in early flower, with my first organic grow, but I’ve been told that weekly top dressing and/or teas are important to keep the soil going through the entire grow. Pot size is also very important. I’ve been told you “may” be able to get away with 7 gal pots but a minimum of 10 gal pots is recommended.
 
2Hearts

2Hearts

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For a healthy plant to go to full wilt so fast only a few scenarios exist -

You chopped its roots off.
The soil dried quick fast and past permanant wilting point.
You just planted it in pure horse shit or something so strong in nutrients the roots stopped absorbing anything.
You put a hair dryer on it.

Stuff like that.
 
Dabbie McDoob

Dabbie McDoob

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That is definitely dampening off.

I would also suggest allowing the soil to dry.
You can also aerate the soil by perforating it with say a bamboo stick. This can help quickly provide the roots with oxygen.

Also, I understand peoples opinion of "it's too far gone to save"....However.

I have seen extremely sick plants recover and live. (i.e. like 1 leaf and the plant cam back)

Hope it recovers and you see a huge harvest!

Cheers
 
manfredo

manfredo

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
Are you top dressing or feeding teas? I’m still in early flower, with my first organic grow, but I’ve been told that weekly top dressing and/or teas are important to keep the soil going through the entire grow. Pot size is also very important. I’ve been told you “may” be able to get away with 7 gal pots but a minimum of 10 gal pots is recommended.
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I started out in 3g bags for the first month (after solo cups for a few weeks), then transplant to 10g bags, so they are getting a lot of extra soil there, and then I top dress 1 or 2 times. I have made teas in the past but not lately as I'm out of guana & EWC. I've just been feeding occasionally, like maybe every 7-10 days, with GH Flora, since I had a bunch on hand. I did try 7g bags and yes, I'm back to 10g's.

BUT, I am making my super soil like Subcool did originally, with ProMix instead of a good organic base soil as it's easier to source and it's clean!!.

At a minimum I should be looking for something organic to feed them, and i will check out bio-bizz grow and bloom like BluntMoniker suggested, and teas are a great idea!!.
 
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rkmcdon

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manfredo said:
My problem (one of, lol ) is, I haven't figured out how to make an organic soil that can make it all the way through flower yet, so I wind up feeding salt based nutes after about week 4 of flower. Sorry to get off topic OP. I need to dial in my soil....I've been using Subcools recipe (RIP).

I'm also in a very humid location, so that makes a difference I imagine.
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EDIT: Oops! Just saw you’d already gotten this advice. Sorry for coming late to the party! end edit

Have you tried top dressing 2-3 weeks before your soil runs out of nutrients? This would give you the extra nutrients you need to make it a little further. If it doesn’t give you enough to make it to the end of flower. Do a second too dress timed 2-3 weeks before the first runs out

what’s your soil mix? I’m currently in the process of trying to find a mix that can make it to harvest with supplementing
 
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rkmcdon

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PadawanWarrior said:
You say it's in a newly mixed organic soil. That would be my guess right there. What all did you add, and did you let it cook first?
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I did not let it cook. I transitioning my entire grow to OLS then ROLS and it’s been a little piece meal As I get everything in place. I’m closing to being able to mix in advance and cook but in the beginning I’ll only have a week to cook. Next crop will be able to cook longer

my current recipe is:
26 gallons promix mp
10 gallons ewc
6 gallons rice hull
3 gallons perlite
2 gallons insect frass
1 gallon biolive
4 cups azomite
4 cups basalt
4 cups oyster shell
4 cups gypsum
2 cups neem seed meal
2 cups bat guano

I water in with RO-Camag @5ml/g-age old grow @10 ml/g. I feed with this every 7 days as well. This will go away once the transition is complete
 
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