$5 Jack Herer vs $23 Jack Herer (per seed)

I am trying to understand the pricing on the strain. Here is the Sensi Jack Herer for $23 per seed and the $5 Black Skull Jack Herer. Are they similar in name only, like the difference between a $10 bottle of Cab and a $100 bottle. Any thoughts appreciated.

Try going for sannies jack even cheaper than that about 5 a seed.. Sensi is the original breeders but that does not mean you will find gold in every seed you plant from them. And at 50 dollars for a 10 pack of sannies jack you cant go wrong

instead of the wine example i go more with a name brand example..they just get away with charging alot since they are the originators. sometimes the original holds true as the best but alot of times it does not.

Here's usually the deal. When you take one strain, and cross it with another, that's called hybridizing. The best hybrids are usually from 2 stable strains, that's because they are more consistant for one thing. What Sensi's Jack herer is (according to them) Haze x N. Lights x Skunk.

Which is a 3 way hybrid, Sensi keeps producing this seed by having a female, Haze x N. Lights and crossing it with a skunk male. So they hold said males and females to constantly bring you the same line everytime you buy.

Now what other people have? They either have something they created (usually by cross breeding - hybridizing) and calling it "jack Herer" or they have an F2 generation produced from crossing (inbreeding) the original Sensi Jack Herer seeds from Sensi to them self.

And F2 generation causes a further disorientation of the gentetics, so you may see versions of the parents or grandparents or other unstable combinations. This type of cross will tend to be more for breeders or people that don't care about the variability.

^ of course Sannie has taken theirs much much further than F2 and stabilized the traits Sannie likes. So keep that in mind, Sannie went after traits he liked, they might not be the same as what others are looking for.

It should also be mentioned that Sannies Jack is descended from the original Sensi release...

Sannies Jack is top notch.

that's what i thought this thread was a reference to... $50 sannies' jack f7 versus $en$i $eed$ $225 packs. those are considered the top 2 versions out there, making sannies' an extreme bargain, but some say sensi's is that much better and worth the price for that last bit of quality.

don't know about black skull. they're new to the scene and should be considered a dice roll, but at least an affordable one. i'm ordering from sannies though. their rep for ALL of their strains, and not just the jack f7 is that they breed with love and select winner parents.

i don't know though, i might be inclined to get their slightly longer flowering jackhammer hybrid if only i could find out if real amnesia haze is an improvement over herer in the trippy high department. someone from their site recommended that one along with jack f7 for trippy strains that AREN'T named killing fields. won't be ordering from black skull seeds regardless for that reason. fuck necrophilia and all that other satan serving shit!!!

Sat here for about 5 minutes trying to think of a proper reply to that.

hazey grapes said:

won't be ordering from black skull seeds regardless for that reason. fuck necrophilia and all that other satan serving shit!!!

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hazey grapes said:

i don't know though, i might be inclined to get their slightly longer flowering jackhammer

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thats what caught me......

even if jackhammer is more haze than jack f7, i might be inclined to still go with that for the faster harvest and sound of higher yield that earned the strain it's holy grail name, even if it's just to say i've actually tried some legit herer at least once (but cleaner 2 is anything but shabby) and have something to build a nice indoor strain out of. the f7 cleaner hybrid sounds like a good building block that would have to be awesome itself unless everything everyone says about sannies for almost a decade is a fib.

as bad as cleaner 2 spanked EVERYTHING, and i mean fucking EVERYTHING i've pissed money away on in 25 years, then maybe there is something to all that herer hype i wasn't buying back in the skunk #1 days.

+REP on sannies for making a knock off with love and respect for the plant over just trying to exploit it for the anti-almighty green. there's little doubt in my mind it should fare well in at least my top 10 strains if not top 5 which includes some really old school gear,

Feroce said:

It should also be mentioned that Sannies Jack is descended from the original Sensi release...

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To be clear, Sannie took the original Jack Herer from Sensi, and has inbred it for 7 generations selecting for what he thinks are the best characteristics of that line.

So while his is descended from "Jack Herer" it isn't exactly the same thing as the original. Whether or not its "better" or "worse" is somewhat subjective, but I haven't yet heard anyone say anything bad about his version. If I were buying, his is the one I'd buy.

Also supposedly Sensi Se-eds lost the original parents of its version several years ago, and what they are selling now is basically a re-creation that some feel isn't as good as the original. I don't know this to be true, but so I've heard.

In any case, it well may be fair to say that NOBODY is offereing the "true" Jack Herer as ceeds anymore. Unless you're growing a plant cloned from a years-old original Sensi plant, or growing ceeds from a years-old pack of Sensi, you're probably growing either a copy of the original or a line descendant.

Note also that there are several other lines out there that are other peoples renditions of the same (ie the tongue in cheek named "Jock Horror"), or plants bred from a similar lineage (eg Super Silver Haze) that are also worth considering if this is something you'd want to grow.

thetrickstergod said:

I am trying to understand the pricing on the strain. Here is the Sensi Jack Herer for $23 per seed and the $5 Black Skull Jack Herer. Are they similar in name only, like the difference between a $10 bottle of Cab and a $100 bottle. Any thoughts appreciated.

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Well, you have to look at their lineages.

Sensi came up with the original Jack Herer line, which was a hybrid made up of the best "elite" cuts it had of the best commercial strains at the time of its creation: Northern lights, Skunk, and Haze. This line is known for potency and high quality. Its also long-flowering, stretchy, and a bit hard to grow.

My understanding is that Black Skull started with Sensi's Jack Herer then inbred it, doing selections specifically for fast finishing. (IE they tried to bring out the indica-finishing speed of the Northern lights). So although their version is descended from the "true" Jack Herer, its not the same thing.

Ditto for Sannie. He also inbred the Sensi line, but instead of selecting for fast-flowering plants, he went after mostly FLAVOR, as well as yield and stability.

Which one is "best" depends on what exactly you're looking for.

I've got a very treasured cut of Jack Herer, from a pack of sensi.

Its supposedly what sensi calls the "cash crop" pheno,

Its short, fast flowering and seriously potent with rock hard buds.

Probably on the other side of the Jack fence compared to Sannies 13 weeks.

But real deal killer smoke and beautiful plant.

pulled the trigger on jack f7! this thread inspired me. was a little bummed about the $20 shipping fee and that they're out of freebies on top of it, but i want to have those beans ready to roll when i get my shit situated this winter or spring. i'm hoping that f7's even better than cleaner 2, and would expect a cross between them to be extra special too.

now that i know first hand the differences in buzz between textbook clearheaded and racy cinderella and stonier, but trippier gear like jack, super silver and apollo etc., i'm slowly getting closer to the best buzzes possible practically. C99 is nice, but disappointing if you like tripping out on tunes or movies etc. when you get high. as trippy as cleaner 2 was compared to haze skunk which isn't shabby, and spanks it with it's much more motivational, but balanced buzz, i'd be really happy if f7 is trippier. the spicy lemon flavor sounds way better than the cigar wrapper with hints of ashtray flavor of haze skunk i'm not fond of.

will jack f7 become my new favorite strain? i don't know, but i know i'll love it!

I got the Black Skull JH as a freebie from the Single Seed Co. a few months back.
I germinated it about 10 days ago and it's about 3" tall right now.
I will hopefully be taking clones in 30 days.
It is going to become a Mom for my SOG along with Double Berry and The Widow from Feminized seeds.

Bless,
DZ

Jogro said:

To be clear, Sannie took the original Jack Herer from Sensi, and has inbred it for 7 generations selecting for what he thinks are the best characteristics of that line.

So while his is descended from "Jack Herer" it isn't exactly the same thing as the original. Whether or not its "better" or "worse" is somewhat subjective, but I haven't yet heard anyone say anything bad about his version. If I were buying, his is the one I'd buy.

Also supposedly Sensi Se-eds lost the original parents of its version several years ago, and what they are selling now is basically a re-creation that some feel isn't as good as the original. I don't know this to be true, but so I've heard.

In any case, it well may be fair to say that NOBODY is offereing the "true" Jack Herer as ceeds anymore. Unless you're growing a plant cloned from a years-old original Sensi plant, or growing ceeds from a years-old pack of Sensi, you're probably growing either a copy of the original or a line descendant.

Note also that there are several other lines out there that are other peoples renditions of the same (ie the tongue in cheek named "Jock Horror"), or plants bred from a similar lineage (eg Super Silver Haze) that are also worth considering if this is something you'd want to grow.

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Knowledge for the people!

Sannies Jack F7 was amazing, the colas were nice and thick but not as dense as the ogs or cookie crosses I have run. The smoke was very uplifting, I wished I had taken cuttings or saved some of those seeds because shortly after I ordered from him he lost the ability to do transactions with credit card. It is really hard to know which Jack Herer is the right one for you though.

Like it was stated every breeder looks for their own favorite traits. That is the beauty of growing from seed, maybe you wanted it to be a little more spicy, or maybe you want the shorter pheno etc...I would go with Sannies on his reputation and the price alone. Who really knows how much variation there would be from Sensi, Sannie, Black Skulls.

Go with your gut!