TRUMP CONVICTED

BudmanTX

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Trump brushed off warnings he’d be charged in documents case: Unsealed filings
Former President Trump brushed off warnings he could be charged for keeping classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago residence, promising to pardon one of his now co-defendants if charges were filed, according to new court documents.

The details, laid out in unsealed documents as part of a broader legal battle in the Mar-a-Lago case, lay bare the candid advice from an unnamed witness as well as other details about the federal investigation.

The witness, identified only at Person 16 in the documents, told Trump he should cooperate with federal investigators looking for classified documents, saying doing so could prevent him from being indicted.

“Whatever you have, give everything back. Let them come here and get everything,” the witness said they told Trump. “Don’t give them a noble reason to indict you, because they will.”

But Trump seemed unphased, according to the witness, who said the ex-president gave a “weird ‘you’re the man’ type of response” to the warnings.

The witness refused to have their conversation with the FBI recorded out of fear of reprisal. The summary of the interview describes them as someone with a security clearance and daily access to the Oval Office.

The interview counters a defense from Trump that there was a standard order to declassify anything the former president had, with the witness saying they heard that for the first time only after Trump was facing charges.

The witness said they urged Trump multiple times to return the records being sought then by the National Archives, telling Trump something to the effect of it “was not worth all that aggravation.”

The witness also said they had urged Trump’s children to give him the same warning, noting that the former president “sometimes needed to be messaged the same thing from multiple people close to him.”

“There are issues with the boxes. They belong to the government, talk to your dad and about giving them back” the witness said he had told Trump’s children.

The witness also addressed conversations with Trump’s valet, Walt Nauta, who has since been charged with aiding the former president in moving boxes as well as for lying to investigators.

The witness said Nauta was told by those close to Trump that the documents case was politically motivated and “much ado about nothing” and that even if he faced charges for lying to the bureau, Trump would pardon him in 2024.

The filings offer up other details about the investigation, including that it was code-named Plasmic Echo.

The witness also stated that Trump only hired attorney James Trusty after seeing him on TV.

The court documents were released by prosecutors to answer claims from Trump that he is facing a political prosecution and thus needs access to communications from special counsel Jack Smith’s team.

The filing says prosecutors must “clear the air on those issues … because the defendants’ misstatements, if unanswered, leave a highly misleading impression.”

“Their apparent aim is to cast a cloud of suspicion over responsible actions by government officials diligently doing their jobs. The defendants’ insinuations have scant factual or legal relevance to their discovery requests, but they should not stand uncorrected,” prosecutors wrote.

“Put simply, the Government here confronted an extraordinary situation: a former President engaging in calculated and persistent obstruction of the collection of Presidential records, which, as a matter of law, belong to the United States.”
i read a little of those docs in question, and it does say something along those lines.....

i'll see if i can find it, late today...
 

BudmanTX

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here are all the MAL docs, they are retracted a bit, so just fyi...if you can follow along you can figure things out......who, what, when, where etc.....

Doc release: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24581300-240422-exhibits#document/p32/a2551305

now as to why these were release, at the present time i don't have a clue, maybe transparency

some of the evidence by reading these is pretty damning with in the FL Mal Case that Cannon is presiding over....so..
 

BudmanTX

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ok wow...i think i missed this one......

David Pecker testifies that, following his 2015 meeting with Trump and Cohen, he met with former National Enquirer editor-in-chief Dylan Howard.

Pecker outlined the arrangement and described it as "highly private and confidential."

Pecker asked Howard to notify the tabloid's West Coast and East Coast bureau chiefs that any stories that came in about Trump or the 2016 election must be vetted and brought straight to Pecker — and "they'll have to be brought to Cohen."

Pecker told Howard the arrangement needed to stay a secret because it was being carried out to help Trump's campaign.

OOPS......now the cats out of the bag as it were.......
 

OldMedUser

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Glenn predicting jail for the nth time

I was watching some MSNBC tonight and somebody on there says the judge could give him a 30 day suspended sentence and if he behaves himself and acts like an adult in court with no more breaches of the gag order have it lifted at the end of the trial. That would put a leash on him without all the complications of having him sit in a cell now.

I got a kick out of him posting that the streets were being blockaded by the police so his supporters couldn't gather around the courthouse. Some video showed not a barricade in sight with people and cars passing by unimpeded and one lone supporter out there on the sidewalk. Not even one family member or friend sitting in court for support either. Even Jeffery Dahmer's parents showed up for court every day.

Priceless!

:peace:
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I was watching some MSNBC tonight and somebody on there says the judge could give him a 30 day suspended sentence and if he behaves himself and acts like an adult in court with no more breaches of the gag order have it lifted at the end of the trial. That would put a leash on him without all the complications of having him sit in a cell now.

I got a kick out of him posting that the streets were being blockaded by the police so his supporters couldn't gather around the courthouse. Some video showed not a barricade in sight with people and cars passing by unimpeded and one lone supporter out there on the sidewalk. Not even one family member or friend sitting in court for support either. Even Jeffery Dahmer's parents showed up for court every day.

Priceless!

:peace:
perhaps, goodness willing:

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OldMedUser

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perhaps, goodness willing:

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I read that one many years back and it's probably in a box around here somewhere. Almost done reading the 100 or more of my old Analog, Asimov's and other sci-fi monthlies I used to subscribe to and kept. Don't know if I should save them and re-read again in a decade or donate them to the thrift store. Time for another purge methinks.

:peace:
 

printer

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Why not?
Trump calls for multiple judges to be removed ahead of gag order decision
Former President Trump called for multiple judges to be removed Wednesday, ahead of the gag order decision in his hush money case.

Trump went after Judge Juan Merchan, who is presiding over the New York hush money case, which was the former president’s first indictment. Trump faces 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in connection reimbursing his then-fixer, Michael Cohen, who paid porn actress Stormy Daniels in the lead-up to the 2016 election to stay quiet about an alleged affair with Trump.

“We have a Rigged Judge, who is working for the Democrat Party and refuses to terminate this ‘case,’ which should have never been brought by Soft on Crime Alvin Bragg,” Trump said in a Truth Social post published early Wednesday morning. “Judge Merchan should immediately removed, and the Appellate Courts have to take over.”

Trump also ripped into New York Judge Arthur Engoron, who presided over a civil fraud case against the former president, and Judge Lewis Kaplan, who oversaw Trump’s defamation trial, in which he was ordered to pay $83.3 million to columnist E. Jean Carroll, in the post.

“That also applies to Corrupt Judge Engoron, who knew I did nothing wrong, and still fraudulently fined me $500 Million Dollars while having no knowledge of Valuation, Finance, or in any way what he was doing,” Trump said.

“Same with Judge Kaplan, who allowed a woman, who I have never met (celebrity photo line does not count!), and know nothing about, to get a lawless judgment of $90 Million Dollars,” he continued. “New York Justice is in shambles, and only the Appellate Courts can save it. A Republican doesn’t stand a chance – This is not Justice…”

Prosecutors working in the Manhattan district attorney’s office have argued the former president has violated Merchan’s gag order 10 times. The order prevents him from attacking prosecutors, court staff, witnesses and the judge’s family.

Trump lawyer Todd Blanche has argued his client was responding to political attacks.

Merchan said Tuesday he would reserve the decision regarding the alleged gag order violations, but noted to Blanche that he was losing credibility after he claimed Trump was “being very careful” not to violate the gag order.
 

BudmanTX

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Why not?
Trump calls for multiple judges to be removed ahead of gag order decision
Former President Trump called for multiple judges to be removed Wednesday, ahead of the gag order decision in his hush money case.

Trump went after Judge Juan Merchan, who is presiding over the New York hush money case, which was the former president’s first indictment. Trump faces 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in connection reimbursing his then-fixer, Michael Cohen, who paid porn actress Stormy Daniels in the lead-up to the 2016 election to stay quiet about an alleged affair with Trump.

“We have a Rigged Judge, who is working for the Democrat Party and refuses to terminate this ‘case,’ which should have never been brought by Soft on Crime Alvin Bragg,” Trump said in a Truth Social post published early Wednesday morning. “Judge Merchan should immediately removed, and the Appellate Courts have to take over.”

Trump also ripped into New York Judge Arthur Engoron, who presided over a civil fraud case against the former president, and Judge Lewis Kaplan, who oversaw Trump’s defamation trial, in which he was ordered to pay $83.3 million to columnist E. Jean Carroll, in the post.

“That also applies to Corrupt Judge Engoron, who knew I did nothing wrong, and still fraudulently fined me $500 Million Dollars while having no knowledge of Valuation, Finance, or in any way what he was doing,” Trump said.

“Same with Judge Kaplan, who allowed a woman, who I have never met (celebrity photo line does not count!), and know nothing about, to get a lawless judgment of $90 Million Dollars,” he continued. “New York Justice is in shambles, and only the Appellate Courts can save it. A Republican doesn’t stand a chance – This is not Justice…”

Prosecutors working in the Manhattan district attorney’s office have argued the former president has violated Merchan’s gag order 10 times. The order prevents him from attacking prosecutors, court staff, witnesses and the judge’s family.

Trump lawyer Todd Blanche has argued his client was responding to political attacks.

Merchan said Tuesday he would reserve the decision regarding the alleged gag order violations, but noted to Blanche that he was losing credibility after he claimed Trump was “being very careful” not to violate the gag order.
the orange moron violated that gag order again........right after he got out of court.....
 

BudmanTX

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again u moron.....smh

Hours before his attorneys would mount a defense on Tuesday claiming he had not violated his gag order Donald Trump might have done just that in a 12-minute taped interview that morning, which did not air until later that day. It will be up to Judge Juan Merchan to make that decision, if prosecutors add it to their contempt request.

Prosecutors in Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's office told Judge Juan Merchan that the ex-president violated the gag order ten times, via posts on his Truth Social platform, and are asking he be held in contempt. While the judge has yet to rule, he did not appear moved by their arguments. At one point, Judge Merchan told Trump's lead lawyer Todd Blanche he was "losing all credibility" with the court.

And while Judge Merchan directed defense attorneys to provide a detailed timeline surrounding Trump's Truth Social posts to prove he had not violated the gag order, Trump in an interview with a local television station appeared to have done so.

The gag order bars Trump from "commenting or causing others to comment on potential witnesses in the case, prospective jurors, court staff, lawyers in the district attorney's office and the relatives of any counsel or court staffer, as CBS News reported.

"The threat is very real," Judge Merchan wrote when he expanded the gag order. "Admonitions are not enough, nor is reliance on self-restraint. The average observer, must now, after hearing Defendant's recent attacks, draw the conclusion that if they become involved in these proceedings, even tangentially, they should worry not only for themselves, but for their loved ones as well. Such concerns will undoubtedly interfere with the fair administration of justice and constitutes a direct attack on the Rule of Law itself."

Tuesday morning, Trump told ABC Philadelphia's Action News reporter Walter Perez, "Michael Cohen is a convicted liar. He's got no credibility whatsoever."

He repeated that Cohen is a "convicted liar," and insisted he "was a lawyer for many people, not just me."

Since Cohen is a witness in Trump's New York criminal case, Judge Merchan might decide Trump's remarks during that interview violated the gag order, if prosecutors bring the video to his attention.

Enter attorney George Conway, who has been attending Trump's New York trial.

Conway reposted a clip of the video, tagged Manhattan District Attorney Bragg, writing: "cc: @ManhattanDA, for your proposed order to show cause why the defendant in . should not spend some quiet time in lockup."

Trump has been criminally indicted in four separate cases and is facing a total of 88 felony charges, including 34 in this New York criminal trial for alleged falsification of business records to hide payments of "hush money" to an adult film actress and one other woman, in an alleged effort to suppress their stories and protect his 2016 presidential campaign, which experts say is election interference.


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printer

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ooof-da

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In the United States, there is no such thing as criminal immunity for presidents that I am
Aware of. Do you think It’s gonna take the Supreme Court to change the rules for this orange piece of shit? Or will the jury just treat him differently because he is a former POTUS? Or will he finally have some sort of consequence for the illegal shit?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
In the United States, there is no such thing as criminal immunity for presidents that I am
Aware of. Do you think It’s gonna take the Supreme Court to change the rules for this orange piece of shit? Or will the jury just treat him differently because he is a former POTUS? Or will he finally have some sort of consequence for the illegal shit?
That’s the $465 million dollar question.
 

BudmanTX

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ya know listening and reading the SCOTUS oral arguments right now.....

orange dummies lawyers make me
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with they're arguments, some are just ludacris imo
 

shimbob

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“If the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person and he orders the military … to assassinate him, is that within his official acts for which he can get immunity?” Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked Trump attorney John Sauer.

Sauer, invoking an argument he made previously before Thursday replied: “It could well be an official act.”

Bold strategy, Cotton, etc
 
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