Bonsai Mums Help Needed

JSB99

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Where is the love button!!! I got what ya ment JB!!!! Obviously if I’m flushing the ph won’t matter because it’s not taking in any nutes! :-) my baby though.... that chart is great for hydro. It always swings but it swings in the good! That is for the chart I saved it to reference it. I think the part he doesn’t understand is that you and I are talking between multiple threads lol!
It's all good :)
 

Gardenator

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From my understanding, the only thing that effects water absorption is light. The more light the more water. The only thing that effects the oxygen absorption is tempature of the water. If the temp is to low the dissolvable oxyegen is to low and if the water temp is to high it decreases dissolvable oxygen in the water massively. Doesn’t matter how much bubblers you have if the water can not absorb it. H2O2 helps with that. As far as I have ever known ph has nothing to do with absorbtion of water. I mean if it was so acidic and it damaged the roots I could see that due to acid.
Light and temperature effect how much water the plants will consume, the more light and the hotter it is the more they will drink ( ambient temp of the air being hot) also the dryer the air or a low rH% value will also make the plants consume more water. These things have nothing to do with the roots ability to use the water its in. Those things just effect how much the plant will try to drink not how well it drinks. Listen if you dont want to ph the flush then dont my opinion is to balance everything you give your plant or they simply will not be as healthy as they could be. Fact is a fact that is you gave every single aspect cannabis needed perfectly at every stage of its life it would reach its maximum potential on yield right? Or that's the theory that cannot account for skill but lets say it wants everything to be perfect. That would probly include the media the roots live in and the roots directly effect how big a plant can even get or the flower it will produce then i would put my ladies roots in the perfectly optimal root zone and for hydro that is a nice 5.8 on ur ph pen or a nice piss yellow on the gen hydro ph testing fluid. Eather or not ur soil has ph in it it still has a ph of its own that needs to bbe adjusted and in dwc the water is the soil so to speak. Just food for thought
 

Cold$moke

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Where is the love button!!! I got what ya ment JB!!!! Obviously if I’m flushing the ph won’t matter because it’s not taking in any nutes! :-) my baby though.... that chart is great for hydro. It always swings but it swings in the good! That is for the chart I saved it to reference it. I think the part he doesn’t understand is that you and I are talking between multiple threads lol!
Jsbb is correct on many points but dont think cause you are flushing your plant isnt takingin any nutes unless you are using ro water.

But as long as your plant is green there is "stuff" inside it:)
 

Jenniann04

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Jsbb is correct on many points but dont think cause you are flushing your plant isnt takingin any nutes unless you are using ro water.

But as long as your plant is green there is "stuff" inside it:)
I’m using distilled water so it’s 0 ppm. I tested it to be a million percent sure, and ph was 6.98 I however didn’t rinse the roots because the plants were toooooooo heavy.
 

Cold$moke

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This is where peeps usually get wacky on the whole flushing thing in my opinion

Is everyone thinks the flush is to get rid of excess nutrients in some cases yes if you have a heavy feeding hand.

But i feed lightly generally and i still flush .

Not because im overloaded with ferts but because i want all that nasty green chlorophyll to go bye bye .

This is why i say if your plant isnt faded when you chop its not going to be as tastey as if it where faded.

But this is just my oppinon

Not a golden fact LOL as TONS of people here "do not flush"
 

PetFlora

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From my understanding, the only thing that effects water absorption is light. The more light the more water. The only thing that effects the oxygen absorption is tempature of the water. If the temp is to low the dissolvable oxyegen is to low and if the water temp is to high it decreases dissolvable oxygen in the water massively. Doesn’t matter how much bubblers you have if the water can not absorb it. H2O2 helps with that. As far as I have ever known ph has nothing to do with absorbtion of water. I mean if it was so acidic and it damaged the roots I could see that due to acid.
not exactly.. there is a relationship between high or low humidity and nutrient uptake
 

Gardenator

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not exactly.. there is a relationship between high or low humidity and nutrient uptake
Yes but only through the top of the plant ( roots live in oxygenated water where they can draw on any amount they need until the solution is gone and how a low or high rh% affects this is because with a very low rh% value your plants will transpire more and uptake more water or solution to compensate for the lack of humidity in the air and when there is a very high rh% value in the air the plant cannot trasnpire as well as if it were in optimal range meaning the plant will not uptake anything because its left unable to breathe and sweat properly to cool itself as well as making it nearly impossible for the plant to photosynthesise properly. Check out plant transpiration and vapor pressure deficit as well as how it plays a more important roll then rh because vpd actually measure the airs ability to retain or hold moisture (how much and how efficiently a plant can also transpire and cool itself is greatly and directly effected by vpd but the plant only responds in its root zone according to the plants digestion needs An rh value with dwc is not ever talking about ur root zone relative humidity, they live in a bucket of water lol its wet in that bucket my guess is over 100% saturated with water.
 

Jenniann04

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This is a really great video and breaks vpd down really well in lamens terms while also teaching the scientific terminology. This one is way better at a nice crash into vpd then this ridiculously long video and article I read on it :) thank you
Ha thank you!!!! I will check it out
 

Beachwalker

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Thanks! It's a little bit of work, and it can be really nerve-racking when you're chopping up your perfectly healthy plants over and over again! But after the first few times, you really become aware of just how hardy these plants are. They may not actually be a "weed", but they sure are persistent like them.

I might regrow the Gorilla Cookies, so that I can grow a shorter version of her. I've learned a lot, since I first started, and I think I can get some better results the second time around.

Stay tuned :p
Great info and pictures! And that link on the first page here to the bonsai mums thread was a good read as well (you've inspired me!:clap:) I've got several lanky girls still in their 6" pots that I've been holding back forever

I keep telling myself I'm going to get around to them, and this is it, I'm going to chop them all the way down tonite! (Tomorrow morning at the latest:mrgreen:)

.. got clones going right now but I'm going to squeeze in a bubble cloner I made but have never used throw in as many tops as I can from my trimmings tonight and see if it works?! ( I clone in Rapid Rooters ) thanks again following both threads, good luck!
 
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