Pineapple Express vs LSD

truentgoon

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Heard that Pineapple Express and LSD were good overall strains to grow. The Pineapple Express may be better but I would like more opinions. How's the odor on both of them? Are they skunky? I don't really want too strong skunk odor. I heard LSD smells like fuel which wouldn't be good for me cause that means it has the strong funky sour smell.

Strain list for next order
Pineapple Express
LSD
Fruity Chronic juice
Northern light blue
Papaya
Blue mystic
Female c99
White widow x big bud
Blue dream

I want to cut out some of those to make it cheaper. Which ones should I cut out of the order? I want short indica types as well and blue dream and c99 may be a bit too stretchy.
 

Dr. Who

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PE and LSD (for an indica) grow taller. Topping helps - big.
Any C99 is Sativa and tall.

Skip the WW x Big bud - rather a ho hum strain....

NL Blue is not a bad choice

I might suggest LA Confidential or Kosher Kush over some of the others. Indica wise.

Buddha's Blue Cheese is real nice. Paying attention to her growing is important.
 

truentgoon

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Thanks Dr. Who, I'll be sure to top. Do you think I should add low stress training? If so what kind.

Hmm I'll check those out although the kosher kush may be a little too pungent for me. Yes the blue cheese I heard is nice and squat but I'm not sure about the skunky cheese smell. LA confidential I haven't looked into yet I'll check it out.

Yea I agree to take out the WW x big bud I was just interested cause of the yield and it being a hot product but I'm taking it off the list. LSD is also being taken out due to the smell being too strong similar to the sours.

I'm interested in bomb seeds now. It's hard to find anything bad about them and they have decent prices.

Most of the bomb seed descriptions say medium height except the bubble bomb. My tent is 4' high so not sure if those strains are going to be an issue.

New order list
Pineapple Express
Gorilla bomb
Berry bomb
Cherry bomb
Thc bomb
Big bomb
Bubble bomb (short-medium height)
Cluster bomb
Widow bomb
Northern light blue
Fruity chronic juice

Practice seeds (maybe)
C99 (low odor but too tall)
Iced grapefruit
Papaya
Blue mystic
Northern lights (low odor practice)

Does anyone have any information or experience with any of these bomb seed strains? If you were looking for short squat plants and minimal odor which ones should be taken out and maybe added?

I'm going to email bomb seeds and I'll report back. I also may make a new thread in the strain section but I'll still report here.
 
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tyke1973

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The Pineapple Express that i have been growing for the past 3 Grows,Is one of the most Pungent Smelling Strains i have grown.

Grows well with LST or straight forward let it be,With a Decent amount of Light it does not stretch has much has some strains but still does gain height ,Best check my Journal,I have done it from veg up to now Day 49.

It is a Easy plant to Grow ,has long has you do not over Complicate things,Its a Fruity,Skunky Smell from it ,But well worth doing.Some of the best smoke that i have ever have ever grown,Most of G13 Labs strain's are all up there with the best Genetics around.

Running there Lemon Amber Kush ,In the tent next.

Good Luck
Tyke.
 

truentgoon

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@tyke1973: I think you mentioned the Pineapple Express in my other thread which is why I started looking into it more. It's true everyone says it's a good overall strain with potency and yield so I'll be sure to check out your log.

Besides Pineapple Express what other strains do you recommend from g13? I was checking out their blueberry gum since it's one of their best sellers along with blue og.

G13 also has good prices similar to bomb seeds. Maybe I should do a mixture of both g13 and bomb seeds.

How's the smell on that Pineapple Express in veg? Carbon filter is only in my flower tent. Although I am getting a little air purifier for my veg area I'm not sure it will cover 1 plant reeking in veg. The kush strains always get so skunky even when their small lol.
 
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tyke1973

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Inked20171212_150354_LI.jpg Blueberry Gum, is another Great one from them ,The Smell is no where near has Loud has the Pineapple, C99 Stunning ,Blue Og One of my favorites from them.Really Looking forward to doing the Lemon Amber Kush too ,not done that before,New strain from them ,But it will be good Me and my friends have run most on there List ,and been happy with all.
But top 3 from them would be
Pineapple Express
Blue Og
c99
The Smell of the Pineapple in Veg is Not that Bad ,Its round about week 5,Flowering
it really starts to become loud
 
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tyke1973

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C99
Jack Herer X Haze ,need i say More,The only thing is with C99 it can become Large so i would do SCROG,If you are to get that.
Blueberry Gum
Was one of the best plants i have grown For Hash ,the bud was very nice,But i decided on hash before i started the grow.
Gigabud,I grew it a while a go too ,that was also another nice strain.Can't Praise this seed bank enough.The Seeds have all ways Germinated and Produced well .

Its the first time i have Grown Pineapple Express,Under Hps lights.The other grows have been under a LED,The amount on the two under the hps lights now ,is Gonna hit Double Digits per plant,The buds are Huge,and are filling out,each day its getting more Dense,The smell is amazing ,But no different to when it was grown under the Led .If you are wanting to see the finished Pineapple ,then i think its around Page 8 ,of my Journal.With the latest pages been this Grow,of it.
 
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truentgoon

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Lol well this is all telling me that the 2x2x4 tent isn't going to cut it for a flowering area. I'm just going to have to drill holes in my closet door. Any idea where to drill the holes?

I'm going to hang the 150w hps on the pole that hangs the clothes. That gives me a height of a little over 5'. I'll use the 4' tent for veg.

I heard the part of the inline fan that's blowing out should be right up on the outtake port correct? That means my vortex inline fan has to be basically sitting on the floor blowing out into the room with the sucking part attached to the carbon filter. Does that sound right?
 
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truentgoon

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So 2 people already said c99 grows tall. How tall are we talking about?

My closet is about 5' or more from the pole where I hang the lights which was more than enough for my northern lights x big bud vegged for a month.

Doing a one plant rotation the plant in veg will have 2 months of veg time so I would imagine c99 would be way too tall after that 2 months. Probably can't even veg that long and the veg tent would be empty for a month lol.

Hmm now I'm starting to see the big picture with sativas. Further increasing my need for a short indica.
 

tyke1973

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Hot air Rises so out let up above the lights if poss5,I have my in let running across the floor ,the duct work,with holes punched in the side ,and block end up ,so there is a steady flow of fresh air coming from those holes.
 

OldMedUser

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Hot air Rises so out let up above the lights if poss5,I have my in let running across the floor ,the duct work,with holes punched in the side ,and block end up ,so there is a steady flow of fresh air coming from those holes.
If you have proper air circulation in your grow space the air temp should be the same from floor to ceiling so I set my can filter on a support on the floor right under my outlet with the fan on top of the filter and about 1ft of flex hose to connect to my vent. Works fine.

My RH/temp controller keeps my room within a 4 degree range so it must work OK.

:peace:
 

truentgoon

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1 ft of flex hose seems like it would be fine. Using the flex hose would give me a lot more options in placement.

Although I'm thinking will the blowing part of the inline placed directly on the outtake port sitting at the bottom of the closet be more efficient?

My fan is the long vortex model so I would have to use a couple ft of flex hose attached to the carbon filter on the floor in the opposite direction against the wall sucking air from the carbon filter.

I heard it's ok to have tubing at the sucking end but once you start putting tubing at the blowing end it starts to become less efficient?

The flex hose attached to the sucking part and carbon filter just has to be long enough so you can open the door and the inline fan can simply slide out with the door.

My light is only 150w hps with one plant so im thinking I can just use a mounted fan to cool it. Anything more than yea I think I would need to use flex hose attached to blowing end to cool the lights.
 

OldMedUser

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1 ft of flex hose seems like it would be fine. Using the flex hose would give me a lot more options in placement.

Although I'm thinking will the blowing part of the inline placed directly on the outtake port sitting at the bottom of the closet be more efficient?

My fan is the long vortex model so I would have to use a couple ft of flex hose attached to the carbon filter on the floor in the opposite direction against the wall sucking air from the carbon filter.

I heard it's ok to have tubing at the sucking end but once you start putting tubing at the blowing end it starts to become less efficient?

The flex hose attached to the sucking part and carbon filter just has to be long enough so you can open the door and the inline fan can simply slide out with the door.

My light is only 150w hps with one plant so im thinking I can just use a mounted fan to cool it. Anything more than yea I think I would need to use flex hose attached to blowing end to cool the lights.
It's no less efficient if it's on the blow or suck end. Reminds me of a joke. Suck baby suck! Blow is just a figure of speech! ;)

You have to make sure any connections past the outlet of the fan are well sealed to prevent leaks under pressure is all. It's the length of the whole system and the number of bends that make it less efficient. Each 90 degree bend will lose 3-5% of efficiency so if you have a lot of bends that will really cut down on air flow. Also the ripples inside your standard expandable hose cause turbulence that also reduces air flow. So if you had to install a 30ft run to get the air outside you'd be better off using some thin wall PVC or ABS rigid pipe. Plastic joints for bends are a lot smother inside so they would be better for any sharp bends you might have to make as well.

My light is only 150w hps with one plant so im thinking I can just use a mounted fan to cool it. Anything more than yea I think I would need to use flex hose attached to blowing end to cool the lights.
You still need to exhaust warm air out and bring fresh air in. The plant needs fresh air to get CO2 from so if it just sits in the same air it will run out of that essential gas and just stop growing. Not a big deal with a fw small plants but once they are crowding up the room they will run out of CO2 in 15 min or so depending on how big they are and how big the space is.

A carbon filter causes a lot of restriction that slows air flow as well. I would rather have my exhaust fan run longer and move less CFM so the cold air has time to mix in without shocking the plants with a blast every time the fan kicks in. I bought a much bigger carbon filter rated for 660cfm wher my fan running at half speed move about 220cfm. I'll be wrapping half my filter with saran wrap and when that doesn't clean the stink any more will unwrap it and wrap the old half. Should last for 4-6 years that way. Better last a while for $180. lol

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truentgoon

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Interesting, so bends and ripples do reduce efficiency. Your saying that a 1ft bend would reduce efficiency by how much? The 1ft bend would make a cleaner setup for me instead of having to open the door along with the inline fan stuck to it lol.

For intake should I just drill another 6" hole on the side near the outtake hole? Damn I'm going to have to drop $20 on a 6'' hole saw if I want to make a clean cut.

Wait, so your saying if you wrap the carbon filter with plastic wrap it will last longer and be better for small grows because less shock?

How do you do this you just simply roll the plastic wrap around the carbon filter and replace it when you start smelling funk?

Do you still have the white carbon filter cover wrapped around it?

If this makes the carbon filter lasts longer I'm definitely doing it lol.
 

OldMedUser

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Interesting, so bends and ripples do reduce efficiency. Your saying that a 1ft bend would reduce efficiency by how much? The 1ft bend would make a cleaner setup for me instead of having to open the door along with the inline fan stuck to it lol.
A bend or two won't make any noticeable difference so don't worry about that.

For intake should I just drill another 6" hole on the side near the outtake hole? Damn I'm going to have to drop $20 on a 6'' hole saw if I want to make a clean cut.
Your intake shouldn't be too close to your outlet and across the room from the outlet is better. The amount of square inches of your inlet should be about 50% larger than the outlet.

A 6" outlet is 28.3sq" so that times 1.5 = 42.4sq". Can be more than one hole any shape but you want them all to add up to be 42.4sq" or larger. I have 6 different vents that allow air from the basement outside my grow room into the grow room thru anti-static wipes for filters. HEPA filters were just too restrictive I found out. :)

Wait, so your saying if you wrap the carbon filter with plastic wrap it will last longer and be better for small grows because less shock?
How do you do this you just simply roll the plastic wrap around the carbon filter and replace it when you start smelling funk?
Do you still have the white carbon filter cover wrapped around it?
If this makes the carbon filter lasts longer I'm definitely doing it lol.
The guy at the hydro store where I bought the filter gave me the tip because I was buying an oversized filter. He said to wrap the top half of the filter in plastic wrap right over the pre-filter sock and when you start getting stink to unwrap that half and wrap the other half that's used up. Then it's like two filters in one.

I just went and took the filter out of the box for the first time. It's shrink wrapped so I just have to cut half off. Also checked out under the sock and there's no screws or even pop rivets I could drill out and replace after recharging it with fresh charcoal. The one I have is a Can-Lite filter with all Virgin Australian charcoal, (the best), and is 600cfm and not the 660 I thought it was. 6x24" long but 10.5" in diameter as it has a 2" bed of charcoal around it. Should last me 10 years as it's made for a much bigger grow than mine. I doubt I'll last 10 more years so it's a lifetime filter for me! :D

canfilters.com

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truentgoon

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That's good to know that there's no efficiency loss and might even prevent shock. The 1' bend will also allow me a cleaner setup.

The thing about the plastic wrap is priceless advice. Since I only have one plant maybe I'll wrap 3 quarters of the carbon filter.

How big should the intake hole be if the outtake hole is 6''? Should it be one big 12'' hole or 2 6''.

Can I get away with one 6'' intake hole at the bottom near the outtake and just use a couple feet of flex hose with a regular fan blowing into it? Kind of like passive intake.

I have a fan speed dial for my vortex outtake fan so maybe I can just dial it down a bit to half speed.

I have to use ducting on the intake hole anyway to prevent light leeks so it's going to be kind of away from the outake hole.

Your giving good advice though because I wouldn't have thought of that crucial aspect.

Do you think I can get away with a regular fan near the intake ducting?
 
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truentgoon

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I see now, if I want to keep the intake hole same size as outtake I need to have an inline fan pumping air in stronger to keep a good flow.

If I'm doing passive intake I need many holes or a hole 3-4 times bigger. So for a passive intake I would need about 3 6" intake holes if I have 1 6" outtake hole.

It's tempting just to make 3 passive holes with ducting coming out of them like tentacles. Then to buy another inline and deal with the noice lol.
 

tyke1973

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If you have proper air circulation in your grow space the air temp should be the same from floor to ceiling so I set my can filter on a support on the floor right under my outlet with the fan on top of the filter and about 1ft of flex hose to connect to my vent. Works fine.

My RH/temp controller keeps my room within a 4 degree range so it must work OK.

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Its no good having a out let and inlet in the same area ,or the out let will just pull fresh air straight out of room,My room is all ways Good Temps ,i'm talking if your room runs Hot.No matter how good your room is it will all ways be hotter near lights,I use Cool Hoods ,So them lights never seem to get that hot ,because i use a large out let ,10" and a 6 inch inlet.The plants love that room .The reason for that size out let and inlet is i sometimes use a 3rd 600 hps ,Has a Swinger one with out a Hood i can drop in where ever i want.
 
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Dr. Who

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If you have proper air circulation in your grow space the air temp should be the same from floor to ceiling so I set my can filter on a support on the floor right under my outlet with the fan on top of the filter and about 1ft of flex hose to connect to my vent. Works fine.

My RH/temp controller keeps my room within a 4 degree range so it must work OK.

:peace:
Not the best idea for potentials growing...... In my book. I run fans for circulation ok. But I set my rooms up to have temp layers.
The canopy is 80 - 82 lights on.
Mid plant is about 75
Roots zone or pot level is 68-70

I bumped into this as beneficial some years back......I get better results across the board by controlling my temp "zones" to be right where I have them set.

Height of lighting controls the canopy.
Height of ambient thermostat is important, as is the distance away from the active lighting. It's set for 71 and even in the hot summer, ambient only rides up to 73-74
Foam insulators on the floor between floor and pot help there.
Placement of support cooling unit is important to all...
Don't forget that the RH effects felt heat.....I set at 45% and it rides to 48 - 49 and fires up the dehuey's..

It's a balance that you have to juggle into place....
 
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