Need advice on my flower room

38deuce

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My flower room and veg room are under my loft style futon. The dimensions are veg room 2ft w x 3ft deep x 4ft high, my flower room is 4ft w x 3ft deep x 4ft high. It is done in pvc pipe and panda film with 4" can carbon filter (filter and fans are behind my tent) and several small duct boosting fans, my issue is what to do for lighting in my flower room, I'm thinking of using 2 4ft 8 bulb t5 with a 3000k bulb. Am I wasting my money? Will that be enough to Flower? Any advice would be great, I want to make this work!
 

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Dr. Who

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I might look to a 400 w HID, but those will work.

I would stagger the bulbs with full on bloom and veg bulbs. The fuller spectrum is better in the long run - especially in a T5 HO set up.
 

vostok

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I shudder at that light frame ...is a pun? ..lol

I've used T5's for years and do a good job

but have little penetration

expect to trim all below 1 foot of the topmost bud

as little light will reach below

it will improve venting too

I maybe tempted to go 2x 250 hps ..?

besides you can always put them in the sun on good days?

good luck
 

mjinc

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What is your budget? With the height restrictions you have HID will be tougher to work with but LED's might give you a good power boost over T5's and still be feasible with your size.
 

Ryry94

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I have a 2'x4'x5' tall tent that I use for veg with a 6 bulb t-5 with 6500k bulbs This has been plenty of light for me, and can veg plants as large as my tent will tolerate. The nice thing about the t-5 compared to the led (other than the huge difference in cost) is the light spread and footprint, especially in a limited height environment like you have. With limited height, you may want to consider limiting your veg time to less than two weeks to ensure you don't run your plants into the light when they plants stretch during flower. Good luck, have fun!
 

coreywebster

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Yeah that's what I'm doing led going with the nextlight led mega for $1500
That's a lot of light for a small space. In a 5x5 that's a 1400ppfd. If your keeping your space the same size that's going to be off the chart and probably bleach the shit out of em. Maybe its dimmable but I would want to be sure about that before spending that sort of cash.
I would go with 2 quantum board kits which are lower profile, no where near that cost and incredibly efficient as well as fully dimmable.
Other option would be vertical CMH or HPS.

Not trying to pick holes in your plan man, but wouldn't want to see someone shell that sort of coin out for something that they couldn't use.
 

38deuce

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That's a lot of light for a small space. In a 5x5 that's a 1400ppfd. If your keeping your space the same size that's going to be off the chart and probably bleach the shit out of em. Maybe its dimmable but I would want to be sure about that before spending that sort of cash.
I would go with 2 quantum board kits which are lower profile, no where near that cost and incredibly efficient as well as fully dimmable.
Other option would be vertical CMH or HPS.

Not trying to pick holes in your plan man, but wouldn't want to see someone shell that sort of coin out for something that they couldn't use.
That's a lot of light for a small space. In a 5x5 that's a 1400ppfd. If your keeping your space the same size that's going to be off the chart and probably bleach the shit out of em. Maybe its dimmable but I would want to be sure about that before spending that sort of cash.
I would go with 2 quantum board kits which are lower profile, no where near that cost and incredibly efficient as well as fully dimmable.
Other option would be vertical CMH or HPS.

Not trying to pick holes in your plan man, but wouldn't want to see someone shell that sort of coin out for something that they couldn't use.
I appreciate your input I'm obviously new... and because of my living situation the flower room being 4ft high is my only option, I don't mind spending money I just don't want to waste it. Do you think the nextlight mini 150w is a good light, I was going to go with 2 of those, they say 1 will cover 2x2 in flower, so 2 should be ok imo but like I said I'm new and that's why I'm asking for help lol
 

coreywebster

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I looked at the mini to see if would be a better bet, as you say it covers a 2x2 in flower, that would bean 2 of them covers a 2x4 and your looking more like a 4x4 space, even though that's not exact, so you would need 4 of them, may get away with 3.
To be fair the nextlights look legit, there are so many dodgy LEDs these days, but they give good information on ppfd and coverage and look to be reasonable diodes not cheap shit. Its just the price point that bothers me. If you had a 5x5 I would say go for it because to cover that space for that price is not too bad. But 5x5 is 25 square feet and your looking to light up 12 square feet so that ppfd of 1400 would be 2800+ which is far too much and so intense given you cant raise your light in your 4 foot ceiling you would defo bleach your plants.

At the risk of coming across like a sales man (which I'm not) I have just purchased 2x 260w Quantum board kits(yet to receive since I'm in the uk) I bought them to cover one half of my 8x4 flower tent, which the will do very well. They are dimmable so you can lower the power as much as you like and they are about the most efficient LED tech out there, using really good diodes. They are also from one of the advertisers on here who spent a lot of time researching the tech and putting this together, there are more and more threads on here showing how they perform and on their website they have all the info on coverage and spectrum.
They are from
https://horticulturelightinggroup.com/products/260w-qb-led-kit
may say sold out but if you email them they may have some in stock. Defo worth emailing them, that's what I did.
The other benefit for you is the really low profile design so your losing less height from your limited space.
Here is the main thread
https://www.rollitup.org/t/diy-with-quantum-boards.927159/
They do sell fully pre made versions of their lights too, but the Kits are very very simple to put together, I hear its a 10 minute job.
Here is a good thread with a great example of what they can do
https://www.rollitup.org/t/quantum-boards-across-the-pond-in-the-uk.935279/
Anyway two of those would set you back $570 total. Which is a bloody big difference and incredibly high performance.


Right, now we have gone through that option we can talk about another option. 315cmh (ceramic metal halide)
A 315cmh has an amazing spectrum compared to HPS or MH lights, 315w puts out around the same as 500w of HPS because its more efficient and as I say the spectrum is far superior to hps. You could hang one vertically and position your plants around it or horizontal and have a ScrOG set up below it to keep all your plant/s very low profile.
I have a mate who after moving grows in a similar space, although he's probably pushing it about 4.5x4.5 ft so he has a bit more room but less height since his grow is in the side of a loft space and the ceilings slope. He still makes good use of his space and pulls some good weight off his narrow but tall plants which surround his vertical light.

Anyway, hope this is some help to you. You should check out the links above and ask questions to those who use both types of lighting. Feel free to ask me anything, I'm not the best person to answer though, there are folks far more enlightened than me. I can always point you to someone that knows more if I don't know an answer.

:bigjoint:
 

38deuce

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Thk you for your advice I defiantly like the cmh idea I want that more then leds but just wasn't sure cuz of height... I'm going to read those threads you sent and definitely look into building my own. As for the 2 mini' s my space is 4x3 so I'm not to far off (2 lights cover 4x2) i would think that 2 of them should do it and this is just for my personal so that's why I was thinking that route and it's only 300 watts. But I'm defiantly going to read those threads you sent thks again for your time and help, I'm excited to get this rolling!
 

MichiganMedGrower

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Cmh will require likely 2 feet placement over the plants in veg. I flower with one at 16" over the buds. Closer to the bare bulb even with plenty of ventilation causes leaf stress.

I would recomend training plants short and veg to maturity so they don't stretch as much and use a t-5 reflector so the plants can get 6 inches or even closer to the bulbs.

You could have 10" pots in there and grow 2 foot tall flowers trained for many tops.

I don't have experience with led but can see they need to be higher up as well.

Lights are just a tool we use for growing. Picking the right tool for a job is key.

I have 6 foot high limit and always end up close to my max height with hid bulbs.

And I vegged with t-5 2' tubes in a 3x2x3 tent in 3 gallon pots to 15" high plants. Couldn't do it with any other lights. No room.
 

bigsteve

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FYI -- I only veg my girls about 5 weeks so they are usually 20-24 inches when they go to flower. I mention the size as I've found I need 4 square feet of floor space to flower for each square foot of vegging space.

Good luck, BigSteve.
 
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